The land in South Africa is blessed to have two cardinals, with the most recent elevated in September last year. Cardinal Stephen Brislin invites Muhammad Hussain for a chat at his office in Cape Town.
For the next 12 years, eight months and 18 days, South Africa will have a representative at the next conclave, should Pope Francis die.
This is provided Cardinal Stephen Brislin remains in good health or doesn't resign before he can join the conclave if the inevitable happens to the 87-year-old South American pope who leads the Roman Catholic Church.